Jiddu Krishnamurti-is Suffering Necessary…?



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Is suffering necessary to make us face the
necessity to change?

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Is suffering necessary to make us face the
necessity to change?

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This is one of our…

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traditions that says you
must suffer in order to be good.

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In the Christian world and in the Hindu world they try and put different words for it.

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Karma and so on so on so on.

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And you go everywhere they say you must go through suffering.

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Which is not only physical suffering but also psychologically.

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That is you must strive, you must make an
effort, you must sacrifice, you must give up,

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you must abandon, you must suppress, you know that is our tradition.

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Both in the east and the west.

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And suffering being common to all man-kind.

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One says you must go through that particular door.

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Someone comes along like the speaker and says “suffering must end.

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Not go through it.

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It must end!”

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You understand what I’m saying?

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Suffering is not necessary.

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It’s the most destructive element in life.

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Like pleasure, suffering is made personal.

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Secretive, mine not yours.

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There is only, there is not only global suffering.

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Man-kind has been through enormous sorrows, wars,

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starvations,

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violence.

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You follow?

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He is faced suffering in different forms.

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So he accepts it as inevitable and uses that
as a means to become noble or change himself.

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We are saying on the contrary.

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You may reject it, question it, doubt it,
let’s find out.

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That is, let us seek the right answer to this.

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Together and not because the speaker says so.

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Can sorrow end?

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Sorrow being our grief.

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So many, many ways we suffer and inside.

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A look, a gesture.

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A wound that we have received through childhood.

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A wound that’s very deep.

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Of which we may conscious or unconscious.

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The suffering of another.

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The loss of another.

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And if we examine closely, taking one fact,
which is that we are wounded from childhood.

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By the parents, by the teachers, by other
boys, girls.

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This happens all the time.

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And this wound is deep, covered up, and one builds a wall around oneself not to be hurt.

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And so that very wall creates fear.

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I don’t know if you’re following all this.

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And one asks can this hurt,

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can it be wiped away completely so that it leaves no scar?

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Please we are going over together, you understand?

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I’m sure you have been hurt. Haven’t you? All of you.

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Somewhere or another

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it is there.

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And we carry it thoughout our life.

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The consequences of that is that we become more and more isolated.

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More and more apprehensive.

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WE don’t want to be hurt anymore.

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So we build a wall around ourselves.

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And gradually withdraw, isolation takes
place.

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You know all this.

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So one asks is it possible not to be hurt?

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Not only not to be hurt in the future, today,
but also to wipe out the hurt that one has had,

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from childhood.

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You understand? We are thinking this together, please.

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Is it possible to wipe away the wound,

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the hurt,

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that one carries about with oneself,

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carries about all the time?

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If one is serious,

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and if one is…

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I wonder if we discover for oneself…

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the cause…

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of the hurt.

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And what is hurt?

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And who is hurt?

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You’re following all this? Please.

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Which means is it possible not to register…

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the inside.

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The flattery.

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The gesture that cuts you down.

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The look of annoyance, anger, the impatience.

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Not to register any of that!

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This is really, do you want to go into it
deeply?

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Shall we go into it deeply?

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The brain is instrument of registration.

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Right?

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Like a computer it registers.

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It registers because in that registration
it finds security,

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safety.

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It is a form of protecting itself.

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Right?

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You’re following all this?

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Right sir?

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And, when one is called an idiot or some other insult takes place, the immediate reaction

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is to register it.

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Verbally, the word giving, the word has its
significance.

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Wanting to hurt.

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And it is registered.

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Like flattery it is also registered.

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Right?

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Now can this registrating process come to
end?

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Baring in mind that the mind, the brain, must register.

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Otherwise you wouldn’t know where your house is.

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You won’t be able to drive your car or use
any language.

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But, not to register any psychological reactions.

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You understand?

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You’re following all this?

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Then one will ask, how?

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How will I, prevent registration of an insult
or a flattery?

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Flattery is more pleasant

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and therefore I like to register.

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But the insult, the hurt I want to get rid
of.

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But both factors, insult are registered.

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Now, is it possible not to register psychologically?

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Right? Can we go on with this?

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What is it that gets hurt?

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You say I’m hurt.

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What is that entity that gets hurt?

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Is it an actuality?

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You understand what I’m mean?

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Something concrete, something practical, something that you can talk, you know, or is it something

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that you have created for yourself, about
yourself?

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You’re following all this?

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I don’t know if you’re…

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Alright I have an image about myself.

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Most of us have.

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That image has been created from childhood.

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You must be like your brother who is so clever.

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You must be better, you won’t be good. You follow?

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This image is gradually being built.

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Through education, through relationship, and so on so on.

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That image is me.

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I wonder if you accept that.

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That image, which is me gets hurt.

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Right?

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Are you following?

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So as long as I have an image, it’s going
to be trotted on,

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by everybody.

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Not only by the top intellectuals, but then by anybody.

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So, is it possible to prevent the formation
of images.

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Go into it sir, come with me, will you?

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You understand the image making machinery?

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What is this machinery that makes the images?

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You understand? The images about my country, about the politicians, about the priests, about God, about…

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You follow? About the whole fabrications of images.

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Who makes these images?

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And why are images made?

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You understand?

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Who makes it and why are they made?

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We can see very easily why they are made.

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For security.

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For reasons of self protection.

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Cause if I call myself a communist, in a non-communist world I will have a rather difficult time.

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Or in a communist world if I’m not a communist, terrible things might happen.

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So identifying myself with an image, gives
one a great security.

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That’s the core, that’s the reason.

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Why all of us, in some form or another have
images.

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And who creates this image?

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What is the machinery?

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You understand?

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What’s the process of it?

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Please think it out with me.

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Don’t wait for me to…

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Will there be…?

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Please listen to it.

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Will there be, will the machinery come to
an end,

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when there is complete attention?

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Or the machinery is set going when there is
no attention?

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You follow the question?

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You follow this sir?

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Where am I to look [laughter]?

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When I pay complete, when there is complete attention when you call me an idiot…

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[Are you doing?]

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You call me an idiot…

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And, the verbal stone has an impact, and the response is “you’re also.”

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Now, can I receive that word, the meaning
of that word, the insult that you want me

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to feel, by using that word…

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Can I be attentive of all that instantly!

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You understand what I’m saying?

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Are we following each other?

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Can I be aware, or attentive completely when you use that word, and you are using that

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word to hurt me?

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And to be completely attentive at that moment.

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It’s not a shield, it’s not something
you put up in order to avoid.

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In that attention, there is no reception.

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I wonder if you see?

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When you call me an idiot and I’m inattentive, not paying attention, then registration takes place.

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You can experiment with this.

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Do it now for god’s sake.

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So that,

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not only the past wounds, past hurts, but also you’re mind then is so sensitive, vulnerable.

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It cannot be, it cannot, it is so moved, living,
active it has no moment of static moment where you can hurt.

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I wonder if you follow all this?

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No. Alright.

Is suffering necessary to make us face the necessity to change? This is one of our traditions that says you must suffer in order to be good. In the Christian world and in the Hindu world they try and put different words for it. Karma and so on so on so on. And you go everywhere they say you must go through suffering. Which is not only physical suffering but also psychologically. That is you must strive, you must make an effort, you must sacrifice, you must give up, you must abandon, you must suppress, you know that is our tradition. Both in the east and the west. And suffering being common to all man-kind. One says you must go through that particular door. Someone comes along like the speaker and says “Suffering must end. Not go through it. It must end!” You understand what I’m saying? Suffering is not necessary. It’s the most destructive element in life. Like pleasure, suffering is made personal. Secretive, mine not yours.

There is only, there is not only global suffering. Man-kind has been through enormous sorrows, wars, starvations, violence. You follow? He is faced suffering in different forms. So he accepts it as inevitable and uses that as a means to be noble or to change himself. We are saying on the contrary. You may reject it, question it, doubt it, let’s find out. That is, let us seek the right answer to this. Together and not because the speaker says so. Can sorrow end? Sorrow being our grief. So many, many ways we suffer and inside. A look, a gesture. A wound we have received from childhood. A wound that’s very deep. Of which we may be conscious or unconscious. The suffering of another. The loss of another. And if we examine closely, taking one fact, which is we are wounded from childhood. By the parents, by the teachers, by other boys, girls. This happens all the time. And this wound is deep, covered up, and one builds a wall around oneself not to be hurt. And so that very wall creates fear. I don’t know if you’re following all this. And one asks can this hurt, can it be wiped away completely so it leaves no scar? Please we are going over together, you understand? I’m sure you have been hurt. Haven’t all of you? Somewhere or another it is there. And we carry it thoughout our life. The consequences of that is that we become more and more isolated. More and more apprehensive. We don’t want to be hurt anymore. So we build a wall around ourselves. And gradually withdraw, isolation takes place. You know all this. So one asks is it possible not to be hurt? Not only not to be hurt in the future, today, but also to wipe out the hurt that one has had from childhood. You understand? We are thinking this together, please. Is it possible to wipe away the wound, the hurt, that one carries about with oneself, carries around all the time?

If one is serious, and if one is… I wonder if we can discover for oneself the cause of the hurt. And what is hurt? And who is hurt? You’re following all this? Please. Which means is it possible not to register the inside. The flattery. The gesture that cuts you down. The look of annoyance, anger, the impatience. Not to register any of that! This is really, do you want to go into it deeply? Shall we go into it deeply? The brain is instrument of registration. Right? Like a computer it registers. It registers because in that registration it finds security, safety. It is form of protecting itself. Right? You’re following all this? Right sir? And, when one is called an idiot or some other insult takes place, the immediate reaction is to register it. Verbally, the word giving, the word has its significance. Wanting to hurt. And it is registered. Like flattery it is also registered. Now can this registrating process come to end? Baring in mind that the mind, the brain must register. Otherwise you wouldn’t know where your house is. You won’t be able to drive your car or use any language. But, not to register any pyshcological reactions. You understand? You’re following all this? Then one will ask, how? How will I prevent registration of an insult or a flattery? Flattery is more pleasant and therefore I like to register. But the insult, the hurt I want to get rid of. But both factors, insult are registered. Now, is it possible not to register psychologically? Right? Can we go on with this? What is it that gets hurt?

You say I’m hurt. What is that entity that gets hurt? Is it an actuality? You understand what I’m mean? Something concrete, practical, something that you can talk, you know, or is it something that you have created for yourself, about yourself? You’re following all this? I don’t know if you’re… Alright I have an image about myself. That image has been created from childhood. You must be like your brother who is so clever. You must be better, you won’t be good. You follow? This image is gradually being built. Through education, through relationship, and so on so on. That image is me. I wonder if you accept that. That image, which is me gets hurt. Right? Are you following? So as long as I have an image, it’s going to be trotted on (?), by everybody. Not only by top intellectuals, but by anybody. So, is it possible to prevent the formation of images. Go into it sir, come with me, will you? You understand the image making machinery. What is this machinery that makes the images? You understand? The images about my country, about the politicians, about the priests, about God, about… You follow? About the whole fabrications of images. Who makes these images? And why are images made? You understand? Who makes it and why are they made? We can see very easily why they are made. For security. For reasons of self protection. Cause if I call myself a communist, a non-communist word I will have a rather difficult time. Or in a communist world if I’m not a communist, terrible things might happen. So identifying myself with an image, gives one a great security. That’s the core, that’s the reason. Why all of us, in some form or another have images. And who creates this image? What is the machinery? You understand? What’s the process of it? Please think it out with me. Don’t wait for me to… Will there be…? Please listen to it. Will there be, will the machinery come to an end when there is complete attention? Or the machinery is set going when there is no attention? You follow the question? You follow this sir? Where am I to look [laughter]?

When I pay complete, when there is complete attention when you call me an idiot… are you doing? You call me an idiot… And, the verbal stone has an impact, and the response is “you’re also.” Now, can I receive that word, the meaning of that word, the insult that you want me to feel, by using that word… Can I be attentive of all that instantly! You understand what I’m saying? Are we following each other? Can I be aware, or attentive completely when you use that word, and you are using that word to hurt me? And to be completely attentive at that moment. It’s not a shield, it’s not something you put up in order to avoid. In that attention, there is no reception. I wonder if you see? When you call me an idiot and I’m inattentive, not paying attention, then registration takes place. You can experiment with this. Do it now for godsake. So that, not only the past wounds, past hurts, but also you’re mind then is so sensitive, vulnerable. It cannot be, it cannot, it is so moved, living, active it has no moment of static moment when you can hurt. I wonder if you follow all this? No. Alright.

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