People talk of experiences beyond the senses. There seems to be a fascination in such experiences but the lives of those who claim to have had them seem to be as mediocre as before. What are these experiences? Are these experiences part of enlightenment or a step towards it? And so, what is enlightenment?
People talk of experiences beyond the senses. There seems to be a fascination in such experiences but the lives of those who claim to have had these experiences seem to be as mediocre as before. What are these experiences? Are these experiences part of enlightenment or a step towards it?
You like these kinds of questions? It’s strange isn’t it? You are always talking about enlightenment, what you have said, what the speaker has said, what somebody has said? You never say: “Look, it is my life. I am in great pain, sorrow this, how am I to resolve all that?” Not what some idiot says! Everywhere the speaker has been, there will always be this kind of question. Not how shall I live in this world, which is so corrupt, where there is no justice, and I’m part of all that what shall I do? You never ask those questions. And why don’t you?
Why don’t we ask really a deep fundamental question about ourselves? Why is it we never ask: “I don’t seem to have love; I know all the descriptions of love; I know when I say to my friend or my girl or my wife, “I love you” – I know it is not quite quite quite. It is I know it is sex, sensory pleasure, desire, companionship. I know that all that is not that bloom that flowers, that has beauty, that has greatness?” But you want to know about enlightenment. Why? If I may ask. Is it we are frightened, to be, to uncover ourselves? Not to be. I’m not your father confessor or group therapists.
If you ask yourself that question: “Why is it that I don’t ask the most deep fundamental question about myself?” Is it we are frightened? Is it that we cannot bear to see what we are. The shoddiness, the ugliness, the pettiness, the vulgarity! The commonness, the mediocrity of it all. Is that what we’re frightened about? And, if we discover what actually we are, you say “Please help me, tell me what to do!” The father figure comes into being then.
So apparently, we never face ourselves. We avoid it at any cost. And that’s why we become so irrational. And that’s why we are exploited by all these people. It’s really a tragedy. Grown up people – at least we think we are grown up – playing with all this, and not coming to the root of things, which is ourselves. We have to be forced, urged, compelled, [patronized?] to face ourselves, by somebody. And so we never, never under any circumstance avoid this thing, that’s why there is no change in us. Since this question has been put I must answer it.
People talk of experiences beyond the senses. There seems to be a fascination in such experiences but the lives of those who claim to have had them seem as mediocre as before. What are these experiences? Are these experiences part of enlightenment, a step towards it?
Can you bear me going on? You know, life, the daily living of everyday, is a vast experience. Right? Tremendous experience. The joys, the pleasures, the anxieties, the burden of sorrow, the injustice around you, poverty, overpopulation, pollution, lack of energy; energy petrol and in ourselves. This life is such a tremendously complex problem of experience. Not problem, experience. And we are bored with it. We cannot face it. We don’t feel responsible for this. We don’t… We separate ourselves from all this. And the separation is fallacious, unreal, irrational, because we are that, we have created that, each one of us. We are part of all that, and we don’t want to face it. So being bored, being exhausted by this trivialities of life, then we go and ask somebody, pay him, initiate, beads, a new name, and hope to have a new experience. And you will. Cause when you want something you are going to get it. Whether it is rational, irrational, sane or insane, doesn’t matter. So first, there are… I won’t go into that presently.
First we must understand the nature of our living. The daily living, the daily irritations, the daily angers, the daily boredom, the loneliness, the despair of this world. You understand this? Yet instead of facing that, understanding it, cleaning all that, we want super-extra-sensory experience beyond the senses. When we haven’t understood the activity of the senses. The daily responses of the senses. And there are those people who will give you experiences. Sort of trickery, gadgetry… When one has really understood, lived, so that life; the everyday boredom, the loneliness, the ache of something better. When that is all understood, not intellectually, not verbally, but cleansed free of all that. That is to understand very clearly the sensory responses. How the sensory responses dominate. How they condition the mind. Right? And, unaware of all that, unaware that one’s mind is conditioned, and from that conditioned state you are asking something more. And the man who promises you something more, gives you according to his conditioning. He may say “No no I’m not conditioned, I’m much too [moral?].”
So what happens? If the decks are cleared. You understand that expression? That is when the foundation is laid. Which is no conflict, you’ve understood the desire, pleasure, fear, sorrow. You are shoving it off, that’s your daily burden. Then you will go beyond it, you’ll find, a mind that is asking for experiences is still in the state of being conditioned by the senses. And there is a mind that has no experience whatsoever.